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Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Four)

Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Numbering: Issue 17.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Thirteen)

Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal

Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com

Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2018

Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018

Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing

Frequency: Three Times Per Year

Words: 1,750

ISSN 2369-6885

Abstract 

Anissa Helou is a Chef, Cooking Instructor, Culinary Researcher, Food Consultant, Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine, and a Writer. Her new book is entitled Feast: Food of the Islamic World. Her Instagram material can be seen here. She discusses: being bugged by East/West differences; favorite Eastern foods; favorite Western foods; A Taste of Syria, In Exile (2014), diversity in the culinary world; the mix of food and culture; how nations lose their culture; collaborative and solo projects; recommended authors; and reaching out to her.

Keywords: Anissa Helou, chef, cooking, culinary arts, food, Middle Eastern, writer.

Interview with Anissa Helou: Chef; Cooking Instructor; Culinary Researcher; Food Consultant; Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine; Writer (Part Four)[1],[2],[3]

*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*

1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: In a presentation on making Tabbouleh, you described that the way Western people prepare Tabbouleh bothers you. You joked, “The one thing that really bugs me about the way Western people make Tabbouleh is the kind of bulgur they use and how much of it they use. It really gets me. (Laughs)”[4] What other East/West differences in preparation “bug” you?

Anissa Helou: Turning names of dishes into generic terms as is the case with hommus.

2. Jacobsen: What are your three favorite Eastern foods?

Helou: Noodles, dumplings and sushi.

3. Jacobsen: What are your three favorite Western foods?

Helou: Pasta, steak and mille feuille.

4. Jacobsen: In A Taste of Syria, In Exile (2014), you, within the culinary expertise and with references to the World Food Programme, personalized the statistics of the situation into individuals.[5] For instance, you write:

Rabab lives with her teenage son and daughter in a large room in an abandoned shopping mall, near Tripoli in north Lebanon, alongside 150 other Syrian families. Some, like her, paid rent while others squatted. The complex looks as though it was built in the 1960s, with generous spaces and wide walkways, across which dozens of children run around, seemingly oblivious to their families’ tragic circumstances.

Rabab’s room is a haven amidst the chaos, neat and calm with a curtain dividing her living space from the kitchen. Long benches are against two walls and a modern Persian carpet covers the floor. There’s TV and an Internet connection, and a revolutionary flag to remind her of home. Rabab invited me to lunch as soon as I explained over the telephone my interest in finding out how the displacement of Syrian women was affecting the way they fed their families and whether they still cooked the same way they did back home…

…Rabab was peeling small aubergines, in stripes leaving some peel on, before cutting them in half, lengthways. She then made a slit in the middle of the fat part of each half, explaining that this helped them cook through. She cooked potatoes every day and made sure to buy her supply at the beginning of the month to avoid any shortage. She, and almost all of the refugees, relied on assistance from World Food Programme to buy their food. Initially, the programme distributed food parcels but these only contained dried goods and so they developed a credit card system redeemable in select shops (320 throughout Lebanon), with an allowance of $30 per person per month. Laure Chadraoui, the programme’s senior communication officer, explained that the $1 a day was calculated to provide the necessary 2200 calories a person needs for good nutrition…

…Sitting with Rabab, sharing her thrifty food, brought back memories of my many trips to Syria, in particular those days I spent in Aleppo, getting lost in the labyrinthine lanes of the medieval souks that are mostly destroyed now, stopping to talk to ladies like her, or Safia, or Umm Ahmad. The hospitality was the same but the food wasn’t; Syria’s rich culinary heritage is in danger of being lost like much else in this beautiful country.[6]

An interesting idea to bring together international organizations, culinary expertise, basic necessities such as food, statistics, and individual stories to shed light onto areas of need in the world, that is, Syria. What is the importance of diversity in the international culinary world?

Helou: It is very important to have diverse voices be heard so that people can find out more about different culinary cultures, how they develop, whether they are at risk because of conflicts and so on.

5. Jacobsen: How do culture and food mix?

Helou: Food is culture. It is a wonderful way to get to know a country, its people, their customs, history, social lives, religious restrictions, and so many other aspects of a country and its people. For me travelling for food is the best way to get to know a country as most people open up as soon as you talk about food, far more than if you were to talk about art or music. Almost all people like food and know a certain amount about it whereas with other aspects of culture, the number of people who read or listen to music or go to exhibitions is far more limited.

6. Jacobsen: What other nations or cities seem likely to lose their culture?

Helou: Any nation that experiences prolonged conflict or aggression.

7. Jacobsen: Any upcoming collaborative projects?

Helou: Feast, Food of the Islamic World was an epic undertaking and it is just published now. I think I will take it easy for a while before I think about the next project.

8. Jacobsen: Any upcoming solo projects?

Helou: See 7.

9. Jacobsen: Any recommended authors?

Helou: Nevin Halici for Turkish food, Zette Guinaudeau Franc for Moroccan, Charles Perry for medieval Arabic Cookery, and Mary Taylor Simeti for Sicilian.

10. Jacobsen: For those with an interest in further personal research into you, they can contact you, read the blog, Twitter, or visit the personal/professional website.[7],[8],[9],[10] Any other means of further research into you?

Helou: My latest and most favorite way to communicate online nowadays is Instagram and that is where people will find me traveling, eating, working and generally enjoying life.

11. Jacobsen: Thank you for your time, Anissa Helou.

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Appendix I: Footnotes

[1] Chef; Cooking Instructor; Culinary Researcher; Food Consultant; Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine; Writer.

[2] Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2018: www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-four; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.

[3] Photograph courtesy of Anissa Helou.

[4] [anissa Helou]. (2015, January 15). anissa making tabbouleh 08. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owtn2IoT_vw.

[5] Helou, A. (2014, June 8). A Taste of Syria, In Exile. Retrieved from http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/13/taste-syria-exile-253808.html.

[6] Helou, A. (2014, June 8). A Taste of Syria, In Exile. Retrieved from http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/13/taste-syria-exile-253808.html.

[7] Helou, A. (2016). Contact. http://www.anissas.com/contact/.

[8] Helou, A. (2016). Blog. Retrieved from http://www.anissas.com/.

[9] Twitter. (2016). @anissahelou. Retrieved from https://twitter.com/anissahelou.

[10] Helou, A. (2016). Anissa Helou. Retrieved from http://www.anissas.com/.

Appendix II: Citation Style Listing

American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Four) [Online].August 2018; 17(A). Available from: www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-four.

American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2018, August 15). An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Four)Retrieved from www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-four.

Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Four). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A, August. 2018. <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-four>.

Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2018. “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A. www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-four.

Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A (August 2018). www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-four.

Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Four)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A. Available from: <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-four>.

Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Four)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A., www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-four.

Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 17.A (2018):August. 2018. Web. <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-four>.

Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Four) [Internet]. (2018, August; 17(A). Available from: www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-four.

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An Interview with Susan Murabana (Part One)

Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Numbering: Issue 17.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Thirteen)

Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal

Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com

Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2018

Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018

Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing

Frequency: Three Times Per Year

Words: 2,588

ISSN 2369-6885

Abstract 

Susan Murabana is an Astronomer and Rotarian, and Founder of the Travelling Telescope. She discusses: family background; the Cosmos series and science communication; communication of astronomy; and understanding science and tackling issues in society.

Keywords: astronomer, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Rotarian, Susan Murabana, Travelling Telescope.

Interview with Susan Murabana: Astronomer and Rotarian, and Founder, Travelling Telescope (Part One)[1],[2]

*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*

1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: In terms of geography, culture, and language, where does your family background reside?

Susan Murabana: I grew up in a large family with 6 siblings. My mother was a teacher. She is retired now. My dad taught, but he was still in communications and engineering. I felt that I had supportive parents. They were involved in my education. In fact, my mom taught me at school. I went to high school and learned science, but I ended up doing my degree in economics, which I enjoyed.

When I was doing my final here, I got involved with a group of scientists who were (inaudible) grad and undergrad students who had come to teach science and most of them were astrophysicists. I got connected with the science side at school. So, I think by seeing what I saw them do on the first day of school, I knew now that I wanted to do that.

I wanted to teach and teach science. It was only after a few years. I always loved astronomy, but I did not appreciate it. Only until later I went to Ghana for was a conference and there was a thing on African cultural astronomy. I started listening to the presenters talking about African traditional stories.

I was intrigued and wanted to find out what I could about East Africa and my home and any traditional sky knowledge. I always felt that astronomy was a foreign science or a Western science, but at that time I got to learn that it was practiced in Africa as well. I thought that it was a science I could connect my people with and that got me excited.

So obviously, I got involved in astronomy outreach and I saw the power. The fact of having the telescope out or talking about certain topics sparks curiosity. Because we have all looked up at the sky at some point and wondered as children and that’s what I am trying to promote. Get people, especially young minds in Africa, in Kenya, excited about the sky.

So, I switched my careers. I stopped working for this IT company. I was doing marketing for them, but I was like, “I want to do outreach.” That was difficult, but I had some support from my parents and the support of my siblings and that was important to me. I feel that family is important. It is important to have support.

It is important for parents to support their children in whatever careers they decide to go in to. I was lucky to have that. Especially girls. Girls who want to get into careers that are not traditional. I always felt it was important to get that support. So, moving forward, I am now married, I have two children. My husband and I met in an astronomy group, which is cheesy [Laughing].

We had organized this trip we arranged through my rotary club to go to northern Kenya for a trip. It was a hybrid one. A few members were interested in looking at the sky. So, when this trip was coming up, I suggested to them that we should plan a trip and we got a lot of support from Astronomers Without Borders, to take glasses around schools.

I am the national coordinator of Astronomers Without Borders. They sent a lot of glasses to Africa. We got quite a number. My husband, who at that time mailed and said he was interested in coming to film, made and distributed the glasses and he ended up coming. He was filming, and we met, and he filmed me distributing the glasses and he came on the trip to Kenya. Yes, the rest is history.

That’s how we met. Obviously, astronomy is such a big part of my family life because I met my husband through that. He had come off the idea. He’s a filmmaker by training. He had also done a little bit of astronomy and he had also done public outreach in places in the UK and he came up with the idea for the Travelling Telescope.

We decided we wanted to do outreach. We decided we wanted to donate money to do (inaudible) and work with schools and work with the people of Africa. We intend to go everywhere, everywhere we can reach, we want to come to Canada one day, as the Travelling Telescope.

To work with kids and to get members of the public to enjoy and experience our project. Then we have 2 boys. We have a four-and-a-half-year-old and a one-and-a-half-year-old. The four and a half is learning about astronomy and he’s been under the mobile planetarium we take around. Sometimes he says he works for the traveling telescope.

2. Jacobsen: There are some prominent names. I think some statistics from Carl Sagan’s ex-wife, where she said over a billion people have seen the Cosmos series, the original. Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson has rebooted it.

I think even through a prominent network in the United States. They are professional science communicators and happen to be astrophysicists. With your professional training, what are some of the issues that come up in the clarity of the communication of science? As well, what are some tips for those that want to communicate science to the public?

Murabana: I guess communicating science is, I think in my experience, is difficult in some ways. Because first, it is communicating with different audiences and being interesting. That’s what someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson is good at. As a scientist, he’s a good communicator and he connects with different audiences. For us, we aren’t at Neil deGrasse Tyson’s level [Laughing].

I try to model our activities as interactive, especially with school kids, as much as possible. So, rocket launch with the available materials. That’s one thing we try to push for. Readily available materials. Or trying to demonstrate the sense of scale. Try to show how big the universe is. Another thing we try to use and a global thing is trying to get as many responses.

Right now, the cool thing that is happening is virtual reality and we can use virtual reality headsets in class to teach astronomy. So, we have the headsets. We have the cords to use them and we feel that it is exposing several kids in Africa to what kids in any country of the world have been exposed to. I guess that answers your question.

Trying to use films. As I say with my husband, the documentary about our trip to Ghana, those are some of those things we screen for the kids. We also screened some of the Cosmos series. Mars, that film. We try to use different tools to help us with communication. But also, we try to train university students and we realize every individual has different strengths and we try to maximize those strengths.

Some of them, students with degrees in astronomy or studying to get degrees in astronomy, some of them are interested and some are not. We try to maximize the potential and it must be in front of the kids. The ones who are good with social media for example. Using it to transform the different groups that we work with.

We are also trying to get the kids more involved. We run clubs in some of the schools and we are now using music or art as a form of communication. So, we play a Sun song and facts about the Sun in the song. We try and create the song with the students or young kids. So, we come up with the lyrics together, we are singing together.

That’s contagious, for lack of a better word. Kids would relate to it and as they sing, they learn about the Sun. I guess we use as many different tools as possible and appreciating art in our way of communicating.

3. Jacobsen: What do you think is the importance of communication of astronomy in particular?

Murabana: I feel that we’ve all been connected to astronomy first. The Earth goes around the Sun and we all live on that. We have problems now like climate change which is real. What makes me most passionate about it, it was as a child I saw; this lady fight for our planet.

Fight for the environment and plant trees and encouraging Kenyans not to cut trees. Many years later she ended up winning the Nobel Prize and she was a Kenyan and she was a lady. At the time she won it, I had a lot of admiration for her as an adult because I remembered. I could see how affected we were.

So, I struggled. As an adult, I was more aware and seeing the importance of things like that and that’s part of astronomy. Trying to show how unique our planet is and the importance of taking care of it and trying to encourage kids about how important it is at that level.

So, most of the times, the average Kenyan or kid does not think of astronomy for that. They think astronomy is only looking up at the sky and star gazing, but it is beyond that. It is the technologies that have been developed that come back to Earth through astronomy and are being used for maps or things like that.

It is relevant. That’s why communicating astronomy is important for us, for the environment, for every politician to understand the nature of the environmental movement. Also, the technologies and most importantly to encourage more scientists on our continent, so we can have more solutions and technology can develop from within.

4. Jacobsen: If we take the political aspect of science, by which I mean the funding of projects, the knowledge about the world and the policies that follow from that to solve urgent problems and ongoing problems such as climate change, what are some of the risks of politicians?

People in the political class that might not necessarily have scientific training or an appreciation for the fundamental truths that science brings to the table.

If we take politicians, what are some risks in terms of them being either not scientifically trained or not appreciative of the fundamental truths that science brings to the table? So, how might this negatively impact a policy that can then negatively impact society?

Murabana: Yes, I think that populations to have training in understanding it helps for them to tackle issues like climate change. Also, it helps with the supports and financial ones like whatever the government gives to certain issues. It feels like things like astronomy should be taught to everybody, including politicians because of that reason.

Especially, I come from a place where we are starting to get some appreciation and are getting excited about that and I feel that we still have a lot of work to do here. It is so important for people in terms of traditions and culture.

I think that for them to understand it. They need to get more training and there needs to be more awareness for them to make better decisions when it comes to things like climate change, for security for example. These are issues that the world is facing, and Africa is affected by it. We have issues of hunger or famine and it is real.

People are dying because they do not have food and it is something that could be managed or controlled. We should do more outreach with the politicians as well. As I was saying, my parents being part of my journey, those are my leaders. Those are the people that I relate to. I want them to, how do I put it?

At home are the best people who you look at as leaders and if we have politicians in the same line to teachers for example and understanding things like astronomy or producing things that damage the environment, then I think it will make our homes better or where we live better. The other thing is it is not about politics and finding, but it is also about peace.

We have this small planet, and everyone lives here and has needs. If you look at the image of that, there are no borders. We are all one. There is no tribe, there is no race, there is no religion, we are all one. We feel that it is also a message you need to take out. We need to live peacefully together rather than fight for resources or fight because we belong to a certain religion or race or things like that.

The best people to spread that message are our leaders, who are our politicians. Having those images like that of people going to space in the ISS and sharing those images and talking about it and making it more accessible to the public but also getting our leaders to get the public involved. It helps.

References

  1. Travelling Telescope. (2018). Travelling Telescope. Retrieved from http://www.travellingtelescope.co.uk/.

Appendix I: Footnotes

[1] Astronomer; Founder, Travelling Telescope; Rotarian.

[2] Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2018: www.in-sightjournal.com/murabana-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.

Appendix II: Citation Style Listing

American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Susan Murabana (Part One) [Online].August 2018; 17(A). Available from: www.in-sightjournal.com/murabana-one.

American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2018, August 15). An Interview with Susan Murabana (Part One)Retrieved from www.in-sightjournal.com/murabana-one.

Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Susan Murabana (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A, August. 2018. <www.in-sightjournal.com/murabana-one>.

Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2018. “An Interview with Susan Murabana (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A. www.in-sightjournal.com/murabana-one.

Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Susan Murabana (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A (August 2018). www.in-sightjournal.com/murabana-one.

Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Susan Murabana (Part One)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A. Available from: <www.in-sightjournal.com/murabana-one>.

Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Susan Murabana (Part One)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A., www.in-sightjournal.com/murabana-one.

Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Susan Murabana (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 17.A (2018):August. 2018. Web. <www.in-sightjournal.com/murabana-one>.

Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Susan Murabana (Part One) [Internet]. (2018, August; 17(A). Available from: www.in-sightjournal.com/murabana-one.

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An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Three)

Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Numbering: Issue 17.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Thirteen)

Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal

Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com

Individual Publication Date: August 8, 2018

Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018

Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing

Frequency: Three Times Per Year

Words: 2,675

ISSN 2369-6885

Abstract 

Anissa Helou is a Chef, Cooking Instructor, Culinary Researcher, Food Consultant, Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine, and a Writer. Her new book is entitled Feast: Food of the Islamic World. Her Instagram material can be seen here. She discusses: hand-tied flies an illustration of a trout; the Shoreditch warehouse and the Victorian house; different perspectives; items in the warehouse; responsibilities to the public with the exposure; polyglotism; knowing many languages and its help in professional life; 43 out of the “100 Most Powerful Arab Women,” according to Arabian Business, and 113 out of the 500 “most influential Arabs”; further exposure and responsibility to the public; recognitions in personal and professional life; Koshari Street; Convent Garden; planning and development of the street food shop; the dishes of Koshari street; Martha Stewart; long-term goal with street food; the change in the cuisine landscape; globalization and cuisine; general philosophy; political philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; aesthetic philosophy; personal meaning; and self-expression.

Keywords: Anissa Helou, chef, cooking, culinary arts, food, Middle Eastern, writer.

Interview with Anissa Helou: Chef; Cooking Instructor; Culinary Researcher; Food Consultant; Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine; Writer (Part Three)[1],[2],[3]

*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*

1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: About (2016) continues:

An example of her acumen as a collector was the sale of a series of display panels of fishing tackle, one of which achieved a world record price. Having sold all but her books and most personal possessions, she bought with the proceeds of the sale a remarkable two-story warehouse loft in Shoreditch. This she decorated with her usual excellent taste, but this time as a severely functional, minimalist working space.[4]

What were the contents of this display panel of fishing tackle that “achieved” the “world record price”?

Anissa Helou: A selection of hand-tied flies surround an illustration of a trout, I think.

2. Jacobsen: How was the feel of the Shoreditch warehouse different than the Victorian house?

Helou: Totally different. The Victorian house was on three floors with conventional rooms and full of stuff, paintings, furniture, objects, memorabilia and so on. The loft was on two floors, with the top room completely open and double height in part and very spare. White walls with no paintings on them, only modern furniture and very light and airy with a beautiful kitchen stainless steel and lacquered wood kitchen. It was a wonderful space.

3. Jacobsen: What about its different perspective once inside it?

Helou: I worked in the big loft room looking out onto the kitchen and the buildings beyond my windows with a wonderful feeling of space whereas my study in my Victorian house, also on the top floor, was smallish with my desk against the wall and my view if I looked out of the window was over London back gardens which was very nice but a completely different feel from having a huge room all to yourself even if it didn’t have much of a view.

4. Jacobsen: What items were kept for the Shoreditch warehouse?

Helou: My Victorian wrought iron bed and a couple of early 19th century mannequins. In fact, my bedroom in the flat was the only real reminder of my previous life.

5. Jacobsen: Now, you have a deep interest in the Levant.[5] You wrote some books on the subject, among others. You speak and write for radio and television. You write for publications in the United Kingdom and the United States. What responsibilities to the public comes with this exposure?

Helou: To convey truthfully and vivdly the food culture of that region and to provide recipes that not only work, but are authentic whatever that word really means as there are so many variations on each recipe depending on the family or region. But by authentic, I mean that a person of the country will not roll his/her eyes wondering where the writer has gotten the recipe from. I am over simplifying but this is the gist of it.

6. Jacobsen: You have fluency in three languages: Arabic, English, and French. Where does this linguistic talent source itself?

Helou: I guess being brought up with two languages, French and Arabic, helps. I also happen to have a very good knack for languages picking both accent and vocabulary easily. And since I have moved to Sicily, I have become fairly fluent in Italian although my grammar is still not perfect and my vocabulary needs expanding.

7. Jacobsen: How has this assisted in professional life?

Helou: It’s very useful when I travel to speak the language of the country or a language that is very commonly spoken.

8. Jacobsen: You earned ranks 43 out of the “100 Most Powerful Arab Women,” according to Arabian Business, and 113 out of the 500 “most influential Arabs.”[6],[7] What does this recognition mean to you?

Helou: It was very flattering to be included although I don’t reckon that lists really mean much.

9. Jacobsen: Furthermore, the World Bank states the population of the MENA region remains ~355 million people.[8] In other words, you exist among some of the most accomplished and recognized individuals in the region with a population in the hundreds of millions – specific amount dependent on taking into account the Middle East, North Africa, or MENA. What responsibilities to the public, if any, come from this recognition too?

Helou: The same as that of being a published author and a public figure, setting a good example and being a good role model to inspire younger people or even older ones.

10. Jacobsen: Do recognitions like these influence personal life or professional work?

Helou: They make you more marketable!

11. Jacobsen: Your recent work incorporates some introduction to the West aspects of the culinary arts and “delights” of the East.[9] In addition to this general work, you have worked with Egyptian entrepreneurs to experiment with street food ideas such as Koshari Street. What is Koshari Street?

Helou: It is a modern take on the Egyptian hole-in-the-wall places selling street food. Koshari is the quintessential Egyptian street food and I reworked the recipe to make it easier and quicker to serve in the west and healthier. I didn’t change the taste, only added a little more texture by not overcooking the ingredients and adding doqqa to the mix. I have to say though that I am no longer involved with Koshari Street.

12. Jacobsen: Why Convent Garden in London, United Kingdom for its experimentation?

Helou: It was the decision of the Egyptian entrepreneurs but it is also a place with a huge footfall.

13. Jacobsen: In Egyptian street food arrives in London, you said:

I think it was very interesting at the beginning because people didn’t know what Koshari was and we didn’t actually have enough visuals in the shop. So, we, apart from explaining to them what it was – it was very important for us to give them, to let them try the Koshari. So, we gave tasters to almost everybody, and we still do funnily enough…but when you think about it – lentils, rice, pasta, tomato sauce – it doesn’t sound very exciting, but when you taste it and you have the different textures and the different flavours and the spiciness of it all. It becomes much more exciting…and there is a definite, definite trend towards Arab or Middle Eastern food in London.[10]

What changes would help people know about Koshari – as part of the visual advertising aspects of selling street food?

Helou: Having more beautiful photos of the koshari itself and atmospheric photos of it being sold on the streets of Cairo.

14. Jacobsen: What needs to go into the planning and development of a street food shop?

Helou: Almost as much as what goes into planning a restaurant. You need a kitchen where to prepare the food, chefs to cook it and expert staff in the shop to serve it. And of course quality control to make sure the food is consistently good and served the right way.

15. Jacobsen: Lentils, rice, pasta, and tomato sauce, what delicious dishes emerge from the Koshari street food shop with these ingredients – the ones with “different textures,” “different flavours,” and “spiciness”?

Helou: Just the koshari, as well as a few salads and dips.

16. Jacobsen: You discussed some personal history with street food on the Martha Stewart show too.[11] What is the short-term goal with street food?

Helou: I would love to start other concepts but I am now finishing a book and until that is done, I cannot take on any similar work. My new book Feast: Food of the Islamic World has just been published in the US and will be published in the UK in October.

17. Jacobsen: What is the long-term goal with street food?

Helou: See above…

18. Jacobsen: You were born on February 1, 1952. What has changed in the nature of the cuisine landscape since the personal start in it?

Helou: Not much really in Lebanon except that it is not so easy to find.

19. Jacobsen: With globalization and increased access to travel, what seems like the trajectory and future of the world of cuisine?

Helou: More and more exposure to a wider public which is a good thing.

20. Jacobsen: What general philosophy seems the most correct to you?

Helou: Enjoying life to the full without forgetting those less fortunate and doing good work that will last long after you are gone.

21. Jacobsen: What political philosophy seems the most correct to you?

Helou: Liberal or in the centre with an accent on the welfare state.

22. Jacobsen: What social philosophy seems the most correct to you?

Helou: A fair world even if it is a tall order!

23. Jacobsen: What economic philosophy seems the most correct to you?

Helou: That there should be no poverty or famine in the world, which can be achieved but there is no will to eradicate either.

24. Jacobsen: What aesthetic philosophy seems the most correct to you?

Helou: That people should strive to surround themselves with beauty but again this seems beyond reach.

25. Jacobsen: What interrelates these philosophies?

Helou: A sense of fairness and empathy although the accent on beauty or aesthetics does not actually fit in that much.

26. Jacobsen: What personal meaning comes from self-expression through culinary arts and written works?

Helou: A sense of fulfillment in recording recipes and culinary lore that might otherwise be lost.

27. Jacobsen: What other forms of self-expression provide meaning in life for you?

Helou: Cultivating friendship.

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Appendix I: Footnotes

[1] Chef; Cooking Instructor; Culinary Researcher; Food Consultant; Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine; Writer.

[2] Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2018: www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-three; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.

[3] Photograph courtesy of Anissa Helou.

[4] Helou, A. (2016). About. Retrieved from http://www.anissas.com/about/.

[5] About (2016) states:

Anissa continues with her unique style and her ferocious energy to demonstrate to the West the range of culinary delights offered by the East. She is presently working with a group of Egyptian entrepreneurs on launching various street food concepts. Their first, Koshari Street, is opening in Covent Garden in London in early May.

Helou, A. (2016). About. Retrieved from http://www.anissas.com/about/.

[6] Arabian Business. (2013). Anissa Helou. Retrieved from http://www.arabianbusiness.com/100-most-powerful-arab-women-2013-491497.html?view=profile&itemid=491348#.UVrfMasaeDk.

[7] Arabian Business. (2013). Anissa Helou. Retrieved from http://www.arabianbusiness.com/arabian-business-power-500-2013-493796.html?view=profile&itemid=493832#.VtRbRZwrKM-.

[8] The World Bank. (2016). Middle East and North Africa. Retrieved from http://www.worldbank.org/en/region/mena.

[9] About (2016) states:

Anissa has always taken a strong interest in the food of the Levant. She has written several books about it. Lebanese Cuisine, the first comprehensive collection in the English language (1994) was her first. It was followed by Street Café Morocco, a fascinating introduction to the subtle flavours of the cuisine of that country. Both books achieved considerable acclaim. Mediterranean Street Food was published in 2002 and was equally well received. The Fifth Quarter, a pioneering book on the uses and delights of offal, followed in 2004. It is already beginning to overcome the traditional squeamishness of the British cook. Her fifth book, Modern Mezze was published in the UK in July 2007, and her sixth book, Savory Baking from the Mediterrean, was published in New York in August 2007. Levant, Recipes and Memories from the Middle East, is published in the UK this summer.

Helou, A. (2016). About. Retrieved from http://www.anissas.com/about/.

[10] [AP Archive]. (2015, August 3). Egyptian street food arrives in London. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKE8XOrSfGA.

[11] Martha Stewart. (2016). Moroccan-Style Stuff Bread. Retrieved from http://www.marthastewart.com/910371/moroccanstyle-stuffed-mussels.

Appendix II: Citation Style Listing

American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Three) [Online].August 2018; 17(A). Available from: www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-three.

American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2018, August 8). An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Three)Retrieved from www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-three.

Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Three). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A, August. 2018. <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-three>.

Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2018. “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A. www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-three.

Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A (August 2018). www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-three.

Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Three)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A. Available from: <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-three>.

Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Three)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A., www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-three.

Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 17.A (2018):August. 2018. Web. <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-three>.

Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Three) [Internet]. (2018, August; 17(A). Available from: www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-three.

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An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Two)

Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Numbering: Issue 17.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Thirteen)

Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal

Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com

Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2018

Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018

Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing

Frequency: Three Times Per Year

Words: 2,615

ISSN 2369-6885

Abstract 

Anissa Helou is a Chef, Cooking Instructor, Culinary Researcher, Food Consultant, Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine, and a Writer. Her new book is entitled Feast: Food of the Islamic World. Her Instagram material can be seen here. She discusses: the appointment as Sotheby’s representative for the Middle East; transition into owning and running an antique shop in Paris to sell objets d’art and furniture; personal and professional lessons from the work as Sotheby’s representative for the Middle East and owning an antique shop in Paris; the most memorable sale from running the antique store; the 1978 to 1986 period in Kuwait as an advisor for multiple members of the Kuwaiti ruling family; skills developed in the midst of work in these three domains: representative for the Middle East, ownership of a shop, and advisor to the ruling family; distinguishing Islamic art from other art; various collectors about the purchase of “Victorian paintings, European silver, jewellery and Arts and Crafts furniture”; the Kuwaiti family members worked the closest with; most touching experience; distinguishing Victorian and European art from other art; “Aladdin’s cave”; and selling the house.

Keywords: Anissa Helou, chef, cooking, culinary arts, food, Middle Eastern, writer.

Interview with Anissa Helou: Chef; Cooking Instructor; Culinary Researcher; Food Consultant; Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine; Writer (Part Two)[1],[2],[3]

*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*

1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: In About (2016), it states:

Anissa Helou was born, the daughter of a Syrian father and a Lebanese mother, in Beirut and educated there at a French convent school. Aged 21, she moved to London to escape the rigid social convention of her country and began to study interior design at Inchbald School of Design then at Sotheby’s training course, the history of art. She was soon appointed Sotheby’s representative for the Middle East. For a while thereafter, she owned and ran an antique shop in Paris, dealing in furniture and objets d’art which reflected her own sophisticated and highly individual taste. From 1978 until 1986 she was based in Kuwait and was adviser to several members of the Kuwaiti ruling family who were then forming collections of Islamic art. She also advised these and other collectors on the purchase of Victorian paintings, European silver, jewellery and Arts and Crafts furniture.

During this period she travelled extensively and she also started to build her own very personal collections. On her return to London in 1986, she housed her collections in her Victorian house transforming it into an Aladdin’s cave of beautiful and often bizarre treasures.[4]

What instigated the appointment as Sotheby’s representative for the Middle East?

Anissa Helou: The fact that I was Arab, spoke Arabic, was well connected and had successfully completed the Sotheby’s Works of Art Course which in those days was a form of training for later recruitment by the firm.

2. Jacobsen: How did this transition into owning and running an antique shop in Paris to sell objets d’art and furniture?

Helou: I have always been very independent and I didn’t particularly like to work for a corporation however prestigious. Also, I was too early. Arabs were not interested in buying art and Sotheby’s were not willing in investing to promote themselves there so I wasn’t achieving much and I preferred to go it on my own. This said my antiques shop in Paris was a total disaster and I lost almost all the money my father had given me for it. I was only 24 with no experience in business, and no taste for it really. I just loved beautiful things and thought people would just buy what I liked at any price but they didn’t. And I had opened in Les Halles thinking that the area would develop into a cool place but in fact it didn’t. Quite the opposite. So I switched to becoming a free lance consultant and I was pretty successful at that.

3. Jacobsen: What different personal and professional lessons came from the work as Sotheby’s representative for the Middle East and owning an antique shop in Paris?

Helou: So many but the most important were that experience and hard work are essential. And in those days I had neither, I was too young and I was more interested in enjoying the good life and all that Europe offered me than to hunker down and work very hard.

4. Jacobsen: What seems like the most memorable sale from running the antique store?

Helou: When I sold a pair of appliques (I think) to a decorator who was buying them for Jean Marais. It was very exciting.

5. Jacobsen: In the 1978 to 1986 period in Kuwait as an advisor for multiple members of the Kuwaiti ruling family, in their formation of collections of Islamic art, what items come to mind in reflection on the 18-year period?

Helou: Many fine Islamic art objects and some beautiful minor pre-Raphaelite paintings including one by Marie Spartali Stillman – there was a show of her work in London recently but in those days no one knew her – and starting my fishing collection because I was also collecting but obviously on a much smaller scale as I had no money to speak of.

6. Jacobsen: What skills developed in the midst of work in these three domains: representative for the Middle East, ownership of a shop, and advisor to the ruling family?

Helou: I only advised a few members of the ruling family, and as their consultant I developed a skill for advising my clients gently as to what would be good pieces for them to collect. I also developed a skill I developed for negotiations with dealers as I was looking to buy the best price possible.

7. Jacobsen: What distinguishes Islamic art from other art to you?

Helou: There is a connection to where I came from, in particular to the Islamic art that comes from Syria as well as that which comes from Egypt and Turkey.

8. Jacobsen: In addition to the Kuwaiti family art collections ongoing at the time, you worked with various collectors about the purchase of “Victorian paintings, European silver, jewellery and Arts and Crafts furniture.”[5] Where did the expertise in these various specialist collector areas come from for you?

Helou: Without sounding immodest, I had a very good eye and good taste although tending to the quirky in paintings and on the Sotheby’s Works of Art course we learned primarily to look at art to appreciate quality and this came in in very good stead when I became a consultant and a collector. I also could spot the quality in objects that seemed undesirable at the time and have since become very desirable like my treen collection, or the fishing collection. I also had friends and colleagues who were specialists and I sought their advice when I wasn’t sure of something.

9. Jacobsen: Of the Kuwaiti family members, who worked the closest with you?

Helou: Some of the daughters of the late Sheikha Badriyah who if I am not mistaken was the first business woman in Kuwait.

10. Jacobsen: What experience most touched your heart in this period of life?

Helou: My antiques shop in Paris was in the heart of Les Halles, very near la rue St Denis which in those days was still full of prostitutes. My father and my mother came to visit soon after I opened the shop. My father always wore a hat and carried worry beads and he loved walking. So they came into the shop, more or less liked it – neither were really interested in antiques – then my father decided to go for a walk. He came back absolutely shocked. He couldn’t imagine his daughter working in such an unsalubrious neighbourhood, and with his hat still on and clicking his worry beads, he would look at me, shake his head and ask: ‘how could you do this my daughter’ referring to opening a shop right next door to a prostitute street. I think he went round the block half a dozen times, and returned with the same pained expression and puzzled question. I remember that moment with amusement and tenderness on how naïve or strict my father was, but also how loving because apart from questioning my wisdom in opening my shop in this neighbourhood he didn’t scold me or tell me to close the shop and move to a better neighbourhood – in those days Arab fathers were really strict with their children and felt they could dictate to them whatever they felt was good for them but my father was strict but once we made our choices however questionable, he let us do what we wanted.

11. Jacobsen: What distinguishes Victorian and European art from other art to you?

Helou: The answer would be too long and complex and I don’t think I could really express it within the context of this interview.

12. Jacobsen: In London, 1986, you brought collections to the Victorian house. Your house became Aladdin’s cave, according to the description. What parts of the collection remain with you to this day (if any), or remain the most precious and close to your heart?

Helou: I loved both my treen collection and the fishing one. I have very few objects that remain with me but most have been sold but if I could rewind the clock I would have liked to keep the fishing cases with the display of fishing tackle but on the other hand I really like the way my space is now, totally uncluttered and serene so no regrets really. I loved my objects when I had them and enjoyed them when I remembered to look at them properly but I don’t miss them now.

13. Jacobsen: Of course, you had the spring, 1999 moment in personal (and professional) life. You sold the house and collection at Christie’s.[6] What brought about this need for dramatic change to sell the house and its associated personal collection?[7]

Helou: I hate routine and I get bored easily and am always looking for ways to make my life more interesting. Recently I thought about why I felt the need to change my life dramatically every few years, and I thought that maybe it has to do with the fact that I don’t have a family. People with children naturally go through changes as the children grow up and leave home, get married, have their own children. I guess I provoke the same changes in my own life but as a single person. It is also a way to stay curious and energetic with each new phase.

Bibliography

  1. [anissa Helou]. (2015, January 15). anissa making tabbouleh 08. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owtn2IoT_vw.
  2. [AP Archive]. (2015, August 3). Egyptian street food arrives in London. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKE8XOrSfGA.
  3. [Canongate Books]. (2014, September 3). Anissa Helou’s Middle Eastern Meatballs. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFhdtbRTdCM.
  4. [Canongate Books]. (2014, March 8). Chefs who inspired Signe Johansen and Anissa Helou to cook. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMNaSmt2Ths.
  5. [discoverspice]. (2013, March 30). Anissa Helou – art, passion and the Mediterranean!. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTWWOfprVp8.
  6. [Firehorse Showreel]. (2012, August 6). El Chef Yaktachef – Episode 9. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMt-xxkN2jA.
  7. [QatarUK2013]. (2013, November 26). Evenings with Aisha Al-Tamimi and Anissa Helou: Dishes from Qatar. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdAadHJGfwg.
  8. [SallyB2]. (2013, February 20). Anissa Helou On Koshari, And The Rise Of Middle-Eastern Cuisine In London. Retrieved from http://londonist.com/2013/02/koshari.
  9. [sbsarabicvideo’s channel]. (2010, October 26). Karabij and Natif with Anissa Helou. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8iYQWppLUA.
  10. [Sharjah Book Fair]. (2011, December 26). Anissa Helou at Sharjah Book Fair 2011.wmv. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZMYSmzJ_58.
  11. Arabian Business. (2013). Anissa Helou. Retrieved from http://www.arabianbusiness.com/100-most-powerful-arab-women-2013-491497.html?view=profile&itemid=491348#.UVrfMasaeDk.
  12. Arabian Business. (2013). Anissa Helou. Retrieved from http://www.arabianbusiness.com/arabian-business-power-500-2013-493796.html?view=profile&itemid=493832#.VtRbRZwrKM-.
  13. Christie’s. (2016). Christie’s. Retrieved from http://www.christies.com/.
  14. Derhally, M.A. (2013, May 2). Anissa Helou interview: Accidental Cook. Retrieved from http://www.arabianbusiness.com/anissa-helou-interview-accidental-cook-499915.html.
  15. Helou, A. (2016). Anissa Helou. Retrieved from http://www.anissas.com/.
  16. Helou, A. (2014, June 8). A Taste of Syria, In Exile. Retrieved from http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/13/taste-syria-exile-253808.html.
  17. Helou, A. (2014, May 24). MOVE OVER BROCCOLI, CAULIFLOWER IS THE NEWEST SUPERFOOD. Retrieved from http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/30/move-over-broccoli-cauliflower-newest-superfood-251878.html.
  18. Hodeib, M. (2014, Septemer 24). Anissa Helou: the elegant chef. Retrieved from http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Life/Lubnan/2014/Sep-24/271726-anissa-helou-the-elegant-chef.ashx.
  19. Jalil, X. (2016, February 9). Women to take centre stage at LLF 2016. Retrieved from http://images.dawn.com/news/1174798.
  20. Martha Stewart. (2016). Cooking Turkish Meat Bread with Lamb. Retrieved from http://www.marthastewart.com/910372/cooking-turkish-meat-bread-lamb.
  21. Martha Stewart. (2016). Moroccan-Style Stuff Bread. Retrieved from http://www.marthastewart.com/910371/moroccan-style-stuffed-mussels.
  22. O’Sullivan, E. (2014, May 3). Anissa Helou’s Laster Supper. Retrieved from http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/may/03/anissa-helou-last-supper-stuffed-chard-recipe.
  23. Robinson, W. (2014, October 03). Chef Anissa Helou’s Expert Tips on What to Do in Abu Dhabi. Retrieved from http://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2014-10-03/chef-anissa-helou-s-expert-tips-on-what-to-do-in-abu-dhabi.
  24. Sarfraz, E. (2016, February 21). All about freedom of expression. Retrieved from http://nation.com.pk/national/21-Feb-2016/all-about-freedom-of-expression.
  25. Shaukat, A. (2016, February 22). Garnish cooking with research, experiment. Retrieved from http://tribune.com.pk/story/1051748/garnish-cooking-with-research-experiment/.
  26. The World Bank. (2016). Middle East and North Africa. Retrieved from http://www.worldbank.org/en/region/mena.
  27. (2016). @anissahelou. Retrieved from https://twitter.com/anissahelou.
  28. Wood, S. (2013, October 15). The food writer Anissa Helou on her new cookbook, Levant. Retrieved from http://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/food/the-food-writer-anissa-helou-on-her-new-cookbook-levant.
  29. Yang, W. (2014, July 5). First Stop: Anissa Helou’s Istanbul. Retrieved from http://www.culinarybackstreets.com/istanbul/2014/first-stop-10/.

Appendix I: Footnotes

[1] Chef; Cooking Instructor; Culinary Researcher; Food Consultant; Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine; Writer.

[2] Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2018: www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.

[3] Photograph courtesy of Anissa Helou.

[4] Helou, A. (2016). About. Retrieved from http://www.anissas.com/about/.

[5] Helou, A. (2016). About. Retrieved from http://www.anissas.com/about/.

[6] Christie’s. (2016). Christie’s. Retrieved from http://www.christies.com/.

[7] About (2016) states:

In the spring of 1999, she decided to change the course of her life. There were no half measures. She sold her house and put her remarkable and idiosyncratic collections up for sale at Christie’s. In the introduction to the catalogue the celebrated art historian and jazz singer, George Melly, described his arrival at her house to dine and to inspect the objects for sale:?‘when the taxi drew up she heard it and through the open door she stood in silhouette instantly recognised by her totally unique ‘coiffure’, an inadequately dainty word for this explosion with its dramatic white streak; the nearest equivalent is in fact that of Elsa Lanchester in ‘The Bride of Frankenstein’. Nothing scary about Miss Helou though. Her hair is more like the personification of her amazing energy. Her smile is as friendly as you can get. She is as lithe as an athlete.

Helou, A. (2016). About. Retrieved from http://www.anissas.com/about/.

Appendix II: Citation Style Listing

American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Two) [Online].August 2018; 17(A). Available from: www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-two.

American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2018, August 1). An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Two)Retrieved from www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-two.

Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Two). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A, August. 2018. <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-two>.

Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2018. “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A. www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-two.

Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A (August 2018). www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-two.

Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Two)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A. Available from: <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-two>.

Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Two)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A., www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-two.

Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 17.A (2018):August. 2018. Web. <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-two>.

Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part Two) [Internet]. (2018, August; 17(A). Available from: www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-two.

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An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part One)

Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Numbering: Issue 17.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Thirteen)

Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal

Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com

Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2018

Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018

Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing

Frequency: Three Times Per Year

Words: 2,725

ISSN 2369-6885

Abstract 

Anissa Helou is a Chef, Cooking Instructor, Culinary Researcher, Food Consultant, Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine, and a Writer. Her new book is entitled Feast: Food of the Islamic World. Her Instagram material can be seen here. She discusses: family background via geography, culture, and language; influence on development; pivotal moments and major cross-sections in early life; interest in the culinary artsAnissa Helou interview: Accidental Cook; a stubborn personality trait; grabbing luck or taking advantage of serendipity; resilience, perceptiveness, and taking advantage of luck in professional life; unfair and unjust conventions; mellowing with age; the empowerment of women; the domination of cooking and chef work by women; the state of empowerment of women in Lebanon; and the next steps for the empowerment of women; representations in the media. 

Keywords: Anissa Helou, chef, cooking, culinary arts, food, Middle Eastern, writer.

Interview with Anissa Helou: Chef; Cooking Instructor; Culinary Researcher; Food Consultant; Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine; Writer (Part One)[1],[2],[3]

*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*

1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: In terms of geography, culture, and language, where does your family background reside?

Anissa Helou: My mother is from Lebanon, from Beirut although both her mother and father are from mountain villages while my father is from Syria, from a mountain village called Mashta el-Helou.

2. Jacobsen: How did this influence development?

Helou: I grew up in Lebanon and lived there until I was 21, and during that time I spent my summers in my grandmother’s village in Reshmaya and parts in my father’s in Mashta el-Helou where I witnessed food being prepared, grown and preserved and I assume this fuelled my passion for food from that early age, as well as providing me naturally with a deep enough knowledge about foodways.

3. Jacobsen: What about influences and pivotal moments in major cross-sections of early life including kindergarten, elementary school, junior high school, high school, and undergraduate studies (college/university)?

Helou: I didn’t go to university but did specialized courses such as a short interior design course at Inchbald and a full course in expertise in works of art at Sotheby’s in London. Both, and especially the latter, have had a profound influence on my sense of aesthetics in relation to everything including food. Watching my paternal aunt in Syria make tannur bread, churn butter and make malban, a kind of grape leather as well as killing chickens and milking cows have given me an abiding interest in seeing how food is produced and made.

4. Jacobsen: Where did interest in culinary arts originate for you?

Helou: Within my family as briefly explained above. My father was an austere man but he appreciated good food and I am not sure that he knew about my mother’s culinary talent when he married her (he was initially taken by her amazing beauty!) but when he found out that she was an excellent cook, he would only eat her food unless he was travelling and she always cooked proper meals. Her version of fast food was grilled pork chops and home made fries, and salad of course as no Lebanese meal could be complete without at least one salad! My grandmother was also an amazing cook, and she always cooked elaborate meals for us when we visited and my Syrian aunt grew her produce on the farm, had her own animals and prepared everything at home from scratch. So not only did I grow up on excellent food but I also everything prepared at home and I was everyone’s kitchen pest, not only because I was a curious child but also a greedy one. Not to mention that both Lebanon and Syria are countries with a very strong food culture.

5. Jacobsen: In Anissa Helou interview: Accidental Cook (2013), the interview describes some of your history, as follows:

…a long winding road that began with her rebellion against convention in Lebanon where she grew up after finishing school… “After I finished school my father wouldn’t let me go,” Helou recalls. “Me being very stubborn I said to him good if you don’t let me go and study abroad I’m not going to study. So I refused to go to the American University of Beirut (AUB) which was foolish. My obsession at that time was to leave Beirut, I didn’t want to stay”… “I was trying to find ways of breaking that barrier with my father but I didn’t have money so I couldn’t go against him,” she says. “Two weeks later I realised I was a maid on those planes so I wasn’t really happy to do that job but at the same time it was a question of pride after having made such a fuss. So I stayed in the job.”… As part of her feminist outlook Helou didn’t like the idea of cooking. She refused to cook for her companions… “I was interested in food as a hobby and certainly not as a profession,” Helou says. “But once a chance presents itself then you make in a way your luck and you grab it and turn into something very positive.”[4]

How does this “stubborn” personality trait connect to the present in terms of a possible consistent characteristic?

Helou: It makes me pursue what I want regardless of the obstacles, whether from people or circumstances.

6. Jacobsen: What about the “grabbing” of “luck” or taking advantage of serendipity – not everyone sees these opportunities in life?

Helou: I have a very flexible approach to life and a lot of curiosity and do not mind changing tack at the drop if a hat (not quite as I think through whatever I wish to move onto) so if an opportunity arises that appeals to me I grab it even if it means changing things dramatically.

7. Jacobsen: How might this grit/resilience/stubbornness and perceptiveness with respect to taking advantage of luck have influenced professional life?

Helou: I guess it helps me be successful. My perceptiveness has made me spot trends ahead of others, as with my fishing collection or getting into food, or buying my loft in Shoreditch, and the grit and resilience/stubbornness have made pursue my goals despite either being dissuaded from doing so or finding obstacles in my way.

8. Jacobsen: What “convention” seemed unjust and unfair to you at the time?

Helou: I hate conventions so I probably wouldn’t consider any fair!

9. Jacobsen: What about now?

Helou: I guess I have mellowed with age but I still have my curiosity about almost everything unless it is boring or senseless and my flexibility of thinking. I may not rebel so forcefully now but I won’t give up on what I want.

10. Jacobsen: The interview delves into a feminist perspective. Akin to the interview with Mina Holland entitled Chefs who inspired Signe Johansen and Anissa Helou to cook (2014), you discussed something that seems related to this. That is, the relationship of personal female heroes/heroines and the empowerment of women.[5] In fact, in the interview with Mina Holland, you made an astute and poignant comment about the domination of cooking by men in the public and by women in the home too. You said, “It’s the men who, kind of, dominate restaurant kitchens, but at home it’s the women in both the East and West.”[6] Does this relate to the empowerment of women?

Helou: Well, actually in the home, it is somewhat a type of enslavement because even if the woman works outside and earns as much as the man, she is in general the one expected to put the food on the table as it were. On the other hand the homecook is also the guardian of food culture and if, as in traditional cultures, she passes it on to her daughter and her daughter does the same, they are then heroines because they are safekeeping a very important part of a people’s culture and heritage, so, I always encourage young girls now to learn how to cook, and not necessarily to feed their family but to acquire a very important lore that may go missing once the grandmother and mother are gone.

11. Jacobsen: If you observe this domination in the restaurant, or public, kitchens by men and the home kitchens by women across the East/West divide, what seems like the source of it – in history, in socio-cultural and economic conditions, and so on?

Helou: As for men cooks in restaurants and on the street, it is the continuation of ‘it’s still a man’s world!’

12. Jacobsen: What is the state of the empowerment of women in Lebanon now?

Helou: Much better than when I grew up there. Many more are allowed to set up home on their own even if they are not married, there is not so much pressure on them to marry and start families and almost all of them work. Mind you becoming a professional was not an issue when I was there. In fact, my father insisted that we should all have an education and be independent but within the conventional norms of marrying and setting up a family and he was quite upset when I refused to go to university but in the end I made it up to him. And there are quite a few who have now entered the food world professionally, and quite successfully, both as restaurateurs or entrepreneurs.

13. Jacobsen: What seem like the next steps for the empowerment of women in cooking, in Lebanon, in the Middle East-North Africa (MENA) region, and the world?

Helou: Encourage more of them to become independent. In fact there is a definite move towards more women in the kitchen and running their own business which is very encouraging.

14. Jacobsen: What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in personal life?

Helou: I can’t really think of any. I don’t have to struggle with much as I have no one stopping me from what I want to do and I personally have no personal conflicts with myself!

15. Jacobsen: You have numerous audio-visual representations online.[7],[8],[9],[10],[11],[12],[13],[14],[15],[16],[17] In addition to this broad range of interviews and presentations online, you have numerous written/typed productions including articles, reports, and interviews in the media too.[18],[19],[20],[21],[22],[23],[24],[25],[26],[27],[28] In fact, hundreds of articles exist in the world wide web with authorship by, or mention of, you. What responsibilities come with extensive exposure in various media?

Helou: Primarily being an inspiration and a good example to the younger generation, especially those who want to get into food, and not be an embarrassment to either myself, or friends and family, and of course to those I work with.

Bibliography

  1. [anissa Helou]. (2015, January 15). anissa making tabbouleh 08. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owtn2IoT_vw.
  2. [AP Archive]. (2015, August 3). Egyptian street food arrives in London. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKE8XOrSfGA.
  3. [Canongate Books]. (2014, September 3). Anissa Helou’s Middle Eastern Meatballs. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFhdtbRTdCM.
  4. [Canongate Books]. (2014, March 8). Chefs who inspired Signe Johansen and Anissa Helou to cook. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMNaSmt2Ths.
  5. [discoverspice]. (2013, March 30). Anissa Helou – art, passion and the Mediterranean!. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTWWOfprVp8.
  6. [Firehorse Showreel]. (2012, August 6). El Chef Yaktachef – Episode 9. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMt-xxkN2jA.
  7. [QatarUK2013]. (2013, November 26). Evenings with Aisha Al-Tamimi and Anissa Helou: Dishes from Qatar. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdAadHJGfwg.
  8. [SallyB2]. (2013, February 20). Anissa Helou On Koshari, And The Rise Of Middle-Eastern Cuisine In London. Retrieved from http://londonist.com/2013/02/koshari.
  9. [sbsarabicvideo’s channel]. (2010, October 26). Karabij and Natif with Anissa Helou. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8iYQWppLUA.
  10. [Sharjah Book Fair]. (2011, December 26). Anissa Helou at Sharjah Book Fair 2011.wmv. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZMYSmzJ_58.
  11. Arabian Business. (2013). Anissa Helou. Retrieved from http://www.arabianbusiness.com/100-most-powerful-arab-women-2013-491497.html?view=profile&itemid=491348#.UVrfMasaeDk.
  12. Arabian Business. (2013). Anissa Helou. Retrieved from http://www.arabianbusiness.com/arabian-business-power-500-2013-493796.html?view=profile&itemid=493832#.VtRbRZwrKM-.
  13. Christie’s. (2016). Christie’s. Retrieved from http://www.christies.com/.
  14. Derhally, M.A. (2013, May 2). Anissa Helou interview: Accidental Cook. Retrieved from http://www.arabianbusiness.com/anissa-helou-interview-accidental-cook-499915.html.
  15. Helou, A. (2016). Anissa Helou. Retrieved from http://www.anissas.com/.
  16. Helou, A. (2014, June 8). A Taste of Syria, In Exile. Retrieved from http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/13/taste-syria-exile-253808.html.
  17. Helou, A. (2014, May 24). MOVE OVER BROCCOLI, CAULIFLOWER IS THE NEWEST SUPERFOOD. Retrieved from http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/30/move-over-broccoli-cauliflower-newest-superfood-251878.html.
  18. Hodeib, M. (2014, Septemer 24). Anissa Helou: the elegant chef. Retrieved from http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Life/Lubnan/2014/Sep-24/271726-anissa-helou-the-elegant-chef.ashx.
  19. Jalil, X. (2016, February 9). Women to take centre stage at LLF 2016. Retrieved from http://images.dawn.com/news/1174798.
  20. Martha Stewart. (2016). Cooking Turkish Meat Bread with Lamb. Retrieved from http://www.marthastewart.com/910372/cooking-turkish-meat-bread-lamb.
  21. Martha Stewart. (2016). Moroccan-Style Stuff Bread. Retrieved from http://www.marthastewart.com/910371/moroccan-style-stuffed-mussels.
  22. O’Sullivan, E. (2014, May 3). Anissa Helou’s Laster Supper. Retrieved from http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/may/03/anissa-helou-last-supper-stuffed-chard-recipe.
  23. Robinson, W. (2014, October 03). Chef Anissa Helou’s Expert Tips on What to Do in Abu Dhabi. Retrieved from http://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2014-10-03/chef-anissa-helou-s-expert-tips-on-what-to-do-in-abu-dhabi.
  24. Sarfraz, E. (2016, February 21). All about freedom of expression. Retrieved from http://nation.com.pk/national/21-Feb-2016/all-about-freedom-of-expression.
  25. Shaukat, A. (2016, February 22). Garnish cooking with research, experiment. Retrieved from http://tribune.com.pk/story/1051748/garnish-cooking-with-research-experiment/.
  26. The World Bank. (2016). Middle East and North Africa. Retrieved from http://www.worldbank.org/en/region/mena.
  27. (2016). @anissahelou. Retrieved from https://twitter.com/anissahelou.
  28. Wood, S. (2013, October 15). The food writer Anissa Helou on her new cookbook, Levant. Retrieved from http://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/food/the-food-writer-anissa-helou-on-her-new-cookbook-levant.
  29. Yang, W. (2014, July 5). First Stop: Anissa Helou’s Istanbul. Retrieved from http://www.culinarybackstreets.com/istanbul/2014/first-stop-10/.

Appendix I: Footnotes

[1] Chef; Cooking Instructor; Culinary Researcher; Food Consultant; Food Writer, Middle Eastern Cuisine; Writer.

[2] Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2018: www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.

[3] Photograph courtesy of Anissa Helou.

[4] Derhally, M.A. (2013, May 2). Anissa Helou interview: Accidental Cook. Retrieved from http://www.arabianbusiness.com/anissa-helou-interview-accidental-cook-499915.html.

[5] [Canongate Books]. (2014, March 8).  Chefs who inspired Signe Johansen and Anissa Helou to cook. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMNaSmt2Ths.

[6] [Canongate Books]. (2014, March 8).  Chefs who inspired Signe Johansen and Anissa Helou to cook. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMNaSmt2Ths.

[7] [anissa Helou]. (2015, January 15). anissa making tabbouleh 08. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owtn2IoT_vw.

[8] [AP Archive]. (2015, August 3). Egyptian street food arrives in London. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKE8XOrSfGA.

[9] [Canongate Books]. (2014, September 3). Anissa Helou’s Middle Eastern Meatballs. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFhdtbRTdCM.

[10] [Canongate Books]. (2014, March 8).  Chefs who inspired Signe Johansen and Anissa Helou to cook. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMNaSmt2Ths.

[11] [discoverspice]. (2013, March 30). Anissa Helou – art, passion and the Mediterranean!. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTWWOfprVp8.

[12] [Firehorse Showreel]. (2012, August 6). El Chef Yaktachef – Episode 9. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMt-xxkN2jA.

[13] [QatarUK2013]. (2013, November 26). Evenings with Aisha Al-Tamimi and Anissa Helou: Dishes from Qatar. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdAadHJGfwg.

[14] [sbsarabicvideo’s channel]. (2010, October 26). Karabij and Natif with Anissa Helou. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8iYQWppLUA.

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Appendix II: Citation Style Listing

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American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2018, July 22). An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part One)Retrieved from www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-one.

Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A, July. 2018. <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-one>.

Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2018. “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A. www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-one.

Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A (July 2018). www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-one.

Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part One)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A. Available from: <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-one>.

Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part One)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A., www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-one.

Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anissa Helou (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 17.A (2018):July. 2018. Web. <www.in-sightjournal.com/helou-one>.

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An Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow (Part Three)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Numbering: Issue 17.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Thirteen)

Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal

Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com

Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2018

Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018

Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing

Frequency: Three Times Per Year

Words: 5,356

ISSN 2369-6885

Abstract 

Cory Doctorow is an Activist, Blogger, Journalist, and Science Fiction Writer. He discusses: the importance of intelligent, considerate, and ethical government; American politics; fixing American politics; new media and American political dysfunction; poliics getting potentially less awful or not; technology and politics in the determination of America’s future; changing American politics to facilitate America being a technological innovator; China and India, and the possibility of America becoming a backwater country; Donald Trump and Idiocracy; hope; upcoming collaborative projects for 2016; upcoming solo projects; recommended authors; and final feelings or thoughts.

Keywords: American politics, China, Cory Efram Doctorow, democracy, Donald Trump, India.

Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow: Blogger, Journalist, and Science Fiction Writer (Part Three)[1],[2],[3]

*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview. *

*This interview was conducted in two parts with the first on April 12, 2016 and the second on July 1, 2016. *

1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Following through with the technological changes and shifts that are happening, what remains the increased importance of intelligent, considerate, and ethical government and leadership given the state of accelerating technological change?

Cory Efram Doctorow: The thing that strikes me about all of our technology is that it is most exciting when it is lowering transaction cost. I think that’s the purpose of institutions and governments. It is to create structures that lower transaction costs that allows more people to work on projects and, therefore, to work on things that are more ambitious. The thing about transaction costs going lower and lower in monotonic ways because of technological change. On the one hand, it suggests that we need hierarchies for fewer and fewer things.

So, maybe, we do not need an Encyclopedia Britannica management structure to create an Encyclopedia Britannica. On the other hand, it suggests that our existing bureaucratic institutions can do more than they ever did before, and so, maybe, a boy scout troupe can do more than run a bake sale. They could run the power infrastructure for a whole neighborhood or a maker space that would have previously been industrial and massive like Lockheed Martin.

I think that we’ll see a bifurcation as technology lowers transaction costs. On the one hand, we’ll have fewer bureaucracies doing more and more ambitious things, or lighter-weight bureaucracies doing more and more ambitious things. On the other hand, we’ll have existing bureaucracies massively expanding the scope of their capacity and doing a lot more. If you think about the US surveillance apparatus, that’s a good example of it, getting 1 million people to surveil the whole planet earth is a significant accomplishment.

2. Jacobsen: Is American politics irretrievably broken?

Doctorow: I am reluctant to say anything is irretrievable, not least because it is not a falsifiable hypothesis. It may not be retrievable. Now, it is a mess. However, it is not unique for it. There are many political systems around the world in a lot of turmoil: Greece, the UK, and France.

3. Jacobsen: What would it take to fix American politics?

Doctorow: It is clear that there are some structural issues with the two-party system. As all good Hamilton: An American Musical watchers know the party system was back formed on what was meant to be a non-partisan system, it is neither one nor the other thing. The two-party system makes it easier for money to dominate and for influence to dominate, which has been responsible for many of the crises. If we could reduce the influence of money, it might help us reform the two-party system. If we could reform the two-party system, it could reduce the influence of money. That is, on the one hand, it is hopeful. If we could do one, we can do the other. On the other hand, it might mean we cannot do one without the other. We do not seem to be able to do either of them. That is disheartening.

There are some easy wins, which we could have such as campaign finance reform and repealing Citizen’s United would make a big difference. I am excited by what Zach Exley and his colleagues are doing. He was part of the Sanders campaign. They would not agree with this characterization, but I think they are creating a third party and a common platform that is a reformist platform similar to the Sanders platform. They are recruiting 400 or 500 people to run on that platform as Democrats and Republicans in local races, where there are contestable seats. They are using a common fundraising interface for all of those campaigns.

So, you will donate to Brand New Congress. It will go to all 400 or 500 races. The candidates will be freed from having to fundraising and the influence of fundraising. The idea is to have this bipartisan group who all enter congress in a mass and who are in substantial accord on issues that the political consensus has been deadlocked on, which has exacerbated the privilege of a small minority over the vast majority and the lack of evidence-based policy that arose from it. That’s exciting. I do not know if it will work, but it points to a path for something. Exley has pointed to a series of movies since he was the IT, technology, and community person for the Dean campaign. He has gone from strength to strength with each campaign and taken it further. Maybe, he would take it further still this time. That would be cool

4. Jacobsen: How much of a role do relatively new media – the internet, etc. – play in American political dysfunction?

Doctorow: I think a substantial one. The Astroturf has gotten simpler since the internet came along. It is one thing to have false flag operations that we have seen in previous years. You might get fliers stuck through doorways saying, “Whitey does not want you to vote! Make sure you vote on November the 5th” However, the vote was on November the 4th. So, people would stay home from the polls. Now, with Astroturf, there is a lot more of that thing. It can be automated. When H.B. Gary was breached by Anonymous, they were a military contractor and the air force had a bid out to create what they called “Persona Management Software,” which would allow one operative to control up to 20 online personas.

The Russian, so-called Russian, troll factory does this at an industrial scale on behalf of the Kremlin. In China, there is a combination of the Fifty Cent Army, who are people paid half a renminbi (about a 16th of a dollar) for a patriotic post. In addition to that, all government employees were expected to spend a certain minimum number of hours posting pro-government messages that changed the subject when people complained about corruption or derailed the discussion, or called into question the credibility of people who were posting critical material.

It turned out to be an extremely effective strategy, much more so than The Great Firewall. It is the great locus of political control over the discourse itself. The promise of digital media is that it is less, in theory, amenable to being captured by a small number of politically on-the-inside corporations and wealthy people. In practice, there has been an enormous amount of concentration and monopolization, and in the digital world too. There was an Elizabeth Warren speech too, where the extent to which the monopolization of every sector has come into the internet sector.

We have one cable company, Comcast, which serves a crazy percentage, like 80% of American households. We have effectively one search engine. We have approximately one-and-a-half phone systems. This monopolization has created huge loci of control, which has dashed the hopes of people that were hoping the internet would be used to decentralize media ownership and give more control to individual voices.

5. Jacobsen: Will politics get less awful as people become better able to resist being manipulated via new media?

Doctorow: I do not know. I do not think that politics is awful because of manipulation. I think politics is awful because of inequality. I think that when you have people scrambling for not enough, when anything that you gain is something that I lose then you have this awful tenor that plays in politics. Everyone turns on everybody else. I was thinking about it this week. I called it an iterated version of the Ultimatum Game. In the Ultimatum Game, it is this behavioral economics game. The experimenter designates two subjects. One subject is the banker. The other one is the person who takes or leaves the offer.

The banker gets, say, $10 and is asked to split that $10 any way he wants, and then the other person gets to accept the split, where they both get to keep whatever the banker has offered, or reject the split, in which case they both get nothing. The “economically rational” thing in this is to take even a penny if the banker offers it. But in practice, a, widespread finding is that people will reject anything that is materially unfair or anything that is far different from a 50/50 split. And spitefully cost the banker and themselves all of the money rather than accept an unfair bargain, I think that we’ve been in this iterative version of that game, where we have been asked to accept small fractions of the large pie that the top elites have been keeping for themselves and been told that the economically rational this is for us to accept a little and let them have more.

One of the key ways you see this reflected is if you see people discuss poverty as the same problem as it used to be. The measure of poverty is the dollar-a-day measure. The UN version of this. Sometimes, it is an inflation-adjusted dollar-a-day. That dollar-a-day, when it began, gave you a much worse quality of life than now because of technology, the Green Revolution, and cheaper food have changed what a dollar gets you. A dollar-a-day is not a death sentence in the way it was 50/60 years ago. So, we growing inequality, but the inequality does not “matter as much” because the crumbs go a lot further than they did 60 years ago. It does not matter that we’ve become unable. The Ultimatum Game suggests that it does. We are animated by a sense of the unfairness of having so much less than others who have rigged the game so they can keep more than we do, even if the fraction that we keep makes us more comfortable than ever.

I think the ugliness seen in politics today with the racial bias, the xenophobia, are versions or expressions of this conundrum. In particular, the Brexit and Trump vote, or Trump support, is about people who understand that this will be bad for them and their country, but who do not care because it is a way to punish those who got everything when they got nothing. It is not necessarily xenophobia, even though xenophobia is a motif that it returns to and motivates a lot of people. It is a combination and xenophobia and spitefulness. A willingness to do whatever it takes to get revenge on the other guy, even if it hurts you too.

6. Jacobsen: In determining America’s future, how does technology compare to politics? To put it another way, is technology more likely than politics to save America? Does America need saving?

Doctorow: If America is saved, if America has a future, it will be because politics gets better. Right now, the politics is unsustainable. There isn’t a future in which we have less technology. It follows that we are not going to have a better future unless we have a future with better technology in it. It is not the one saves the other. Rather, it is impossible to imagine that a future that the technology is much worse than its opacity, potential for control, and so on. It is like ice.

It is hard to imagine that we will get a future with politics getting better and the technology remains worse. It is probably the case that we need technological reform as a necessary, but insufficient, condition for political reform. There is this interrelation because some of the things that make technology bad are political. We need politics to fix technology and better technology to fix the politics.

7. Jacobsen: How does American politics need to change to facilitate America continuing to be a leading technological innovator?

Doctorow: Right now, American technological implementation obstacles are the regulatory capture and monopolistic practices of technology firms. There are two major exemplars of shitty America policy on technology. One is the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which is 1980s anti-hacking statute that makes it a felony to do anything that exceeds your authorization on a remote system. That’s been interpreted by prosecutors and law makers to mean that if you violate terms of service you commit a felony. A lot of what has made technology super competitive, and therefore super innovative, is the ability to do adversarial compatibility.

You want to make a service that inter-operates with another one. That other one does not want you to inter-operate. On behalf of the user of that service, you make a tool that connects to the service and odes something. Maybe, you have a printer for a company like DEC that only talks to DEC servers. A company like Sun comes along and says, “Okay, we are going to reverse engineer the protocol that DEC uses to control its printers. We are going to make a compatible stack for Sun workstation. So, you can control your legacy DEC printers with your Sun workstations, meaning that your switching costs for throwing away your DEC work station gets lower because you do not have to throw away your deck printers when you do so.”

Under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, if that printer is controlled through the cloud, which means that it is controlled on a server that you do not own or on a leased server, or some other component that requires you to click through some terms and service in order to access that machine and achieve that otherwise extreme commonplace and legitimate technological and commercial activity, then it becomes a felony. The more out software is delivered us services. The more our data is controlled through the cloud. The more this stuff happens on a machine we do not own or have a lesser relationship with, then the harder it is to achieve that compatibility.

Another showpiece of shitty American technology law is the DMCA in section 12.01, which prohibits reverse engineering and removing technological controls to a copyrighted work – even if you’re doing it for a lawful purpose.

It is common to refill an inkjet cartridge and stick it back in a printer or make compatible inkjet cartridges. If you put some software to the inkjet cartridge the interacts with the printer so that when the printer sees it, then it does some basic check so that it is talking to an original cartridge rather than a third party cartridge. Defeating that, it becomes a felony punishable by five years in prison and a $500,000 fine for first offense because that’s an access control that restricts access to a copyrighted work, which is the operating system embedded in the cartridge. You have committed a terrible crime. This allows companies to monopolize the ecosystem around the products and prevent the provision and services that gore their ox. Their business model.

It allows them to fine business models that arrogate to themselves that otherwise in law and practice would be the territory of their customers. The poster child for this is John Deere tractors. They have torque sensors on their leading wheels. They conduct soil-density surveys, which are centimeter accurate on the farmer’s fields that they are driven through. The data about your field, which is useful if you want to broadcast seeds automatically into the field. That data is locked up in the tractor. The tractor has an access control system, which limits the software that contains the data. The data is not copyrightable, but the software that contains the data is copyrightable.

You cannot get access to the data without defeating the access controls, which is a felony. John Deere sells the data back to – you the farmer. You the farmer have to buy your own soil density data that you generate by driving your tractor around your field from John Deere. John Deere does not sell it to you directly. They sell it to you as a bundle with seed from a company like Monsanto. This value that would normally be the province of the owner of the device becomes valued at respite to manufacturer. It is easy to see why manufacturers would want to do this. From an economic perspective, this is pure rent seeking. There is no rational economic story that says this is better of the economy, for innovation, for farmers, for the sector, to allow a firm to use the power of the state to expropriate value from the property of its customers and arrogate it to themselves.

They will never it as efficiently as a market could or their customers. So, this undermines real market driven innovation. It increases monopolism. When you then get into world, where the only way to go to the capital market these days – one of the only ways – is through an IPO, it is mostly driven by acquisition. The way that you become successful, that way that your investors get an exit from your company is positioning your company to be bought by one of the incumbents. So, everything is being constructed to make the incumbents as powerful as possible and the incumbents are sitting on these huge mountains of cash based on, in part, shitty tax policy and the practice of shoring all of their money offshore and then periodically repatriating it during tax holidays.

Paul Ryan and Hilary Clinton have mooted tax holidays for tax cheating companies that have stored billions offshore. They’ve said that they will let them repatriate it at 5% rather than 30%, which they would be normally expected to be pay on those profits. So, these firms are super cash rich. They use that money to snap up other firms that have themselves been constructed solely for the purpose of being acquired by them. It is this ‘lather, rinse, repeat’ of monopolization that reduces consumer choice, reduces competition, and also gives more surplus to these firms to buy policy. So, Google and Apple are both supporting TPP and TTIP, which would, in both cases, help them continue to maintain their dominance by suppressing new entrants and suppressing competition.

8. Jacobsen: With some of those things in mind, will America become a backwater country – trailing countries such as China and India in technology?

Doctorow: Both of those countries have their own problems. Neither America nor China nor India are particular paragons of competition, transparency, or evidence-based policy; although, India did good on the net neutrality front. They aren’t good on censorship. They have one of the recurring problems of an attempting to address deep social problems with quick political fixes is that oftentimes you get these hasty laws that are allegedly suppressing racial bias, but which quickly become an all-purpose tool for suppressing dissent and which are then never effective at undoing the underlying social problems that gave rise to the racial bias. So, India’s caste system is a real terrible travesty and has been used for years to suppress whole populations.

Certain kinds of racialized dialogue are prohibited on the Indian internet, which creates this whole mechanism for widespread trivial censorship with the rule of law and that has become the go-to mechanism for suppressing political dissent. Meanwhile, the problems of the scheduled castes. The people who are supposed to be protected by these hate speech laws go on unabated because the hate speech is not the cause of the problems, but the expression of their problems and suppressing the speech does not change the problem itself.

9. Jacobsen: Let’s move on to Donald Trump, does Donald Trump represent a trend – is he the first of many Idiocracy-style major candidates – or is he an anomaly?

Doctorow: He’s not even the first in international terms. He is of a piece with Marine Le Pen and the Golden Dawn leaders, and Nigel Farage (certainly) and Boris Johnson. Although, in some ways, Johnson is who Trump wants to be; he’s from old money, not new money. He’s classy and witty, not inarticulate and thuggish. There are a lot of things we can say about Boris, but we won’t call him a short-fingered vulgarian. There are a lot of politicians that look a lot like him and appeal to the same instincts. Hungary has had a Trumpian government to its great detriment. I do not know that Trump is the first, but he’s part of a trend.

10. Jacobsen: As a science fiction author, you hesitate to pitch optimistic or pessimistic projections. Rather, you propose hope. Why hope?

Doctorow: Because the alternative is paralysis. I am a great believer in hill climbing. It gets us into a decentralized view of organization and progress. Hill climbing is all about using heuristics. The first casualty of any plan of attack or of any battle always ends up being the plan of attack – spending time figuring out all of the steps that I might take ends up being wasted time because as soon as you start down the path you discover new facts that you weren’t cognitive enough that when you built that expensive exhaustive plan. And so I am a great believer of figuring out what the next step might be and then taking that step and then reassessing and seeing whether you inched your way in the right direction or if you should take a step back and try somewhere else, and though it feels like you’re backtracking. You’re still net ahead of the game as compared to spending all of your time trying to figure out in enormous detail exactly what you plan on doing.

11. Jacobsen: Any upcoming collaborative projects for 2016?

Doctorow: I am working on this giant ten-year project to try and kill all of the DRM in the world. That’s all collaborative. I am trying to build a coalition right now. Security researchers who oppose the world wide web consortia addition of DRM to web standards. As we try to build a similar coalition of technology and civil society groups from the developing world to join the W3C and work on the issue from that direction, these are all intensely collaborative projects.

12. Jacobsen: Any upcoming solo projects?

Doctorow: I have a novel and picture book coming out in 2017. The novel is called Walkaway. I called it a utopian disaster novel. It is a novel in which after disaster strikes people behave themselves well, and get on with the business of rebuilding rather than turning on one another. The conflict in the novel comes from the people who are certain that their fellow humans cannot be trusted pre-emptively. I call it “eating your seat mate before your plane crashes, in case.” The people who believe that people are generally good and will help given the chance, and I think also those worldviews are loosely correlated with at least well and privilege. Anthropologists talk about the idea of elite panic and the conviction on the part of the great and the good. That given the chance, those who have much less than them will come and take away their riches and punish them for having them.

At least some people hypothesize that because that’s what they would do in the situation if it were reversed, I also have this picture book of a kid called Poesy who on her first birthday fights monster using repurposed field expedient weapons built out of girly toys that she has lying around her room called Poesy the Monster Slayer. I am now noodling with ideas about another book for adults called Crypto Wars. It would start a minor character from the other book called Masha.

13. Jacobsen: Any recommended authors?

Doctorow: That book I mentioned called Austerity ecology, and the collapse porn addicts. There is also a debut novel coming out by Ada Palmer called Two Like the Lightning that I rate as a transformative, disruptive new science fiction. She is a historian by trade and brings a good historical perspective to the way that she thinks about the future. It is not like any novel I have ever read. It is remarkable and ambitious. I am great fan a writer named Steven Brust. He’s a fantasy writer who is also a Trotskyist. It is only the Marxist fantasy writers that ever get to write ratios of vassals to lords in their high fantasy. He plays with this idea and attacks it from a lot of different angles. He’s been writing a single series since I was about 13 years old. And he’s closing in on the end of it, and it is a remarkable literal life’s work that he’s put in there. The books keep getting better.

14. Jacobsen: Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion?

Doctorow: Hookem Horns! Go, Braves! I do not know. [Laughter] I do not have any sporting affiliation. We did not talk about the US election, but, obviously, there is something going on there. And also the rise of both left- and right-wing populist movements around the world are something I am paying close attention to – from Syriza and Golden Dawn, to Podemos, to neo-fascists, to Trump and Sanders, and Corbin, and even the leadership race with the NDP in Canada where the federal party has adopted Naomi Klein’s Leap Manifesto from scientific leaders like David Suzuki have signed on to and the provincial NDP from Alberta – which is the only one controlling a regional government – is proposing to secede from the federal NDP because they represent energy producing oil territory and the Leap manifesto is down on carbon.

15. Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Mr. Doctorow.

Bibliography

  1. Doctorow, C. (2016). Crap Hound. Retrieved from craphound.com.

Appendix I: Footnotes

[1] Activist; Blogger; Journalist; Science Fiction Author.

[2] Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2018: www.in-sightjournal.com/doctorow-three; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.

[3] Photograph courtesy of Cory Efram Doctorow and Jonathan Worth Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.

[4] About Cory Doctorow (2015) states:

                Cory Doctorow (craphound.com) is a science fiction author, activist, journalist and blogger — the co-editor of Boing Boing (boingboing.net) and the author of many books, most recently IN REAL LIFE, a graphic novel; INFORMATION DOES NOT WANT TO BE FREE, a book about earning a living in the Internet age, and HOMELAND, the award-winning, best-selling sequel to the 2008 YA novel LITTLE BROTHER.

            One paragraph:

                Cory Doctorow (craphound.com) is a science fiction author, activist, journalist and blogger — the co-editor of Boing Boing (boingboing.net) and the author of the YA graphic novel IN REAL LIFE, the nonfiction business book INFORMATION DOES NOT WANT TO BE FREE< and young adult novels like HOMELAND, PIRATE CINEMA and LITTLE BROTHER and novels for adults like RAPTURE OF THE NERDS and MAKERS. He works for the Electronic Frontier Foundation and co-founded the UK Open Rights Group. Born in Toronto, Canada, he now lives in Los Angeles.

            Full length:

                Cory Doctorow (craphound.com) is a science fiction novelist, blogger and technology activist. He is the co-editor of the popular weblog Boing Boing (boingboing.net), and a contributor to The Guardian, Publishers Weekly, Wired, and many other newspapers, magazines and websites. He is a special consultant to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (eff.org), a non-profit civil liberties group that defends freedom in technology law, policy, standards and treaties. He holds an honorary doctorate in computer science from the Open University (UK), where he is a Visiting Professor; in 2007, he served as the Fulbright Chair at the Annenberg Center for Public Diplomacy at the University of Southern California.

                His novels have been translated into dozens of languages and are published by Tor Books, Titan Books (UK) and HarperCollins (UK) and simultaneously released on the Internet under Creative Commons licenses that encourage their re-use and sharing, a move that increases his sales by enlisting his readers to help promote his work. He has won the Locus and Sunburst Awards, and been nominated for the Hugo, Nebula and British Science Fiction Awards.

                His two latest books are IN REAL LIFE, a young adult graphic novel created with Jen Wang (2014); and INFORMATION DOES NOT WANT TO BE FREE, a business book about creativity in the Internet age (2014).

                His latest young adult novel is HOMELAND, the bestselling sequel to 2008’s LITTLE BROTHER. His latest novel for adults is RAPTURE OF THE NERDS, written with Charles Stross and published in 2012. His New York Times Bestseller LITTLE BROTHER was published in 2008. His latest short story collection is WITH A LITTLE HELP, available in paperback, ebook, audiobook and limited edition hardcover. In 2011, Tachyon Books published a collection of his essays, called CONTEXT: FURTHER SELECTED ESSAYS ON PRODUCTIVITY, CREATIVITY, PARENTING, AND POLITICS IN THE 21ST CENTURY (with an introduction by Tim O’Reilly) and IDW published a collection of comic books inspired by his short fiction called CORY DOCTOROW’S FUTURISTIC TALES OF THE HERE AND NOW. THE GREAT BIG BEAUTIFUL TOMORROW, a PM Press Outspoken Authors chapbook, was also published in 2011.

                LITTLE BROTHER was nominated for the 2008 Hugo, Nebula, Sunburst and Locus Awards. It won the Ontario Library White Pine Award, the Prometheus Award as well as the Indienet Award for bestselling young adult novel in America’s top 1000 independent bookstores in 2008; it was the San Francisco Public Library’s One City/One Book choice for 2013. It has also been adapted for stage by Josh Costello.

                He co-founded the open source peer-to-peer software company OpenCola, and serves on the boards and advisory boards of the Participatory Culture Foundation, the Clarion Foundation, the Metabrainz Foundation and The Glenn Gould Foundation.

                On February 3, 2008, he became a father. The little girl is called Poesy Emmeline Fibonacci Nautilus Taylor Doctorow, and is a marvel that puts all the works of technology and artifice to shame.

Doctorow, C. (2015, July 30). About Cory Doctorow. Retrieved from http://craphound.com/bio/.

Appendix II: Citation Style Listing

American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow (Part Three) [Online].July 2018; 17(A). Available from: www.in-sightjournal.com/doctorow-three.

American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2018, July 22). An Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow (Part Three)Retrieved from www.in-sightjournal.com/doctorow-three.

Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow (Part Three). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A, July. 2018. <www.in-sightjournal.com/doctorow-three>.

Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2018. “An Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A. www.in-sightjournal.com/doctorow-three.

Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A (July 2018). www.in-sightjournal.com/doctorow-three.

Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow (Part Three)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A. Available from: <www.in-sightjournal.com/doctorow-three>.

Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘An Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow (Part Three)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A., www.in-sightjournal.com/doctorow-three.

Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 17.A (2018):July. 2018. Web. <www.in-sightjournal.com/doctorow-three>.

Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Cory Efram Doctorow (Part Three) [Internet]. (2018, July; 17(A). Available from: www.in-sightjournal.com/doctorow-three.

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Based on a work at www.in-sightjournal.com.

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Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life”

Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Numbering: Issue 17.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Thirteen)

Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal

Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com

Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2018

Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018

Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing

Frequency: Three Times Per Year

Words: 2,455

ISSN 2369-6885

Abstract 

Rick Rosner and I conduct a conversational series entitled Ask A Genius on a variety of subjects through In-Sight Publishing on the personal and professional website for Rick. Rick exists on the World Genius Directory listing as the world’s second highest IQ at 192 based on several ultra-high IQ tests scores developed by independent psychometricians. Ivan Ivec, earned a score at 174, on Algebrica by Mislav Predavec. Both scores on a standard deviation of 15. A sigma of ~6.13 for Rick – a general intelligence rarity of 1 in 2,314,980,850 – and 4.80 for Ivan – a general intelligence rarity of 1 in 2,470,424. Of course, if a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population. This amounts to a joint interview or conversation with Ivan Ivec, Rick Rosner, and myself on the “The Spiritual Life.”

Keywords: intelligence, Ivan Ivec, life, Rick Rosner, spiritual, World Genius Directory.

Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life”[1],[2]

*Interview conducted via email. Please see biographies in footnote [1].*

1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Ivan meet Rick. Rick meet Ivan. The topic is ‘The Spiritual Life’ for this discussion. Ivan, you are Christian. Rick, you follow Reformed Judaism. Each have respective life philosophies and practices. It seems most appropriate to have the groundwork of the life philosophies and practices provided by both of you. 

We can find textbook definitions. However, the nuances come from individual lives. To begin, what are its components and relationships – entities, ethical precepts, ideas, and practices? For Ivan, the context is Christianity. For Rick, the context is Reformed Judaism. 

Ivan Ivec: Christianity is very simple religion and pretty hard. All persons ready to follow good even when this is hard can be considered Christians, because this is the base of Christianity, and not some profound knowledge.

The main entity is of course Jesus Christ. We believe that he makes all this possible, because humans are too weak to follow this idea, no matter how simple and logical it seems sometimes.

Because of its simplicity, textbook definitions are pretty important in Christianity, but of course they should come together with experience.

Rick Rosner: I do have spiritual beliefs, but most of my hopeful beliefs of a religious type are founded on faith in future technology. I’m a science person. I haven’t been convinced by organized religions, or by most aspects of organized religion. So I would like to believe in resurrection, but there’s not enough evidence for resurrection through religion for me to believe in resurrection – except in only the tiniest, tiniest way.

So I put my hope in technology’s ability to extend our lives significantly in the near future, and in the near- to medium-future science and technology’s ability to come up with ways to replicate and extend the contents of our brains. Our thoughts and memories. Thus, we have a type of technical resurrection. I tend not to believe that there is some kind of supreme being who dispenses justice.

Though I don’t have that belief that goes with the science of the 20th century, which is a cold random universe in which nothing really matters because everything is the result of happenstance events according to the laws of physics – the universe unfolds according to the rules of Quantum Mechanics and Relativity, with nobody and nothing in charge. Whatever happens doesn’t really matter because there’s no one judging.

Instead, I tend to think that rather than randomness being in charge that information is in charge, and that the universe, at least as we experience it, is a place of increasing order, and that that can be seen as providing some structures and some values. To have order, you need protection from disorder.

2. Jacobsen: Ivan, I feel drawn to the opening sentence: “Christianity is very simple religion and pretty hard.” Does this mean the foundation of Christianity is simple and its practice is difficult? For example, as you know, we find the Golden Rule in Matthew 7:12 for a summarization of one core ethical precept within Christianity. It is simple and applicable as a general moral principle, but it is difficult to practice in every context.

As well, you mentioned the main entity, Jesus Christ. With the main entity as Jesus Christ, other entities tend to be part of the theological discourse. For example, the beings of spirit such as angels and the Devil. Do these other entities—angels and the Devil—fit within your view of Christianity as well? If so, what role do entities such as angels and the Devil play in the world today, especially in people’s spiritual lives?

Rick, in your response, I note the equivalency of “spiritual beliefs” and “hopeful beliefs of a religious type,” which makes spiritual beliefs a subset of hopeful beliefs to you. Those of a “religious type.” To clarify, was this intentional? As well, you have a faith, in future technology tied to science because you are a “science person,” which remains disconnected from “most aspects of organized religion.” You deny the resurrection, except connected to future technology through science.

Furthermore, you disbelieve in a “supreme being who dispenses justice.” Your source of justice comes from the Golden Rule, and associated principles and values, derived from information-based principles connected to increasing order. Without an ultimate authority for right and wrong, for objective (not universal) moral values and judgments, does this make ultimate ethical evaluations dependent on conscious beings? If so, what does this mean for the spiritual life?

Ivec: Christianity talks about things which cannot be understood without God’s mercy. It talks about truth (indeed simple truth), but which is beyond our current ability to understand.

That’s why many people do not have faith, and that’s way I say that Christianity is difficult. Angels, the Devil, humans – all are spiritual beings and fit in Christianity. However, Jesus Christ was talking about things mentioned above, which are beyond our understanding, but this is so because he wants to heal our understanding progressively.

Two big weapons of the Devil:

1) he tries to convince people that he does not exist;

2) if he fails in step 1), he tries to convince people that he is dangerous.

One big weakness of the Devil:

1) All his attempts are misery in comparison with God’s plans.

Rosner: Under all forms of Christianity, God is the Creator. God is the source of everything good. Under most forms of Christianity, though I don’t know how it works in full, the Devil is a very bad guy with unsurpassed power, except for the power of God. Again, I do not know that much about Christianity. Under my point of view, God and the Devil are personifications of the ways to divide the world into good and bad. In other words, God is a metaphor for order and for increasing order, for information, for safety, for persistence, for positive ethical standards, for finding the strength within yourself and within your community to make the right ethical choices. 

There is the one set of footprints on the beach because Jesus was carrying you. God is representative of what is good and right. God is representative of the strength you can find to do what is good while the Devil is pretty much the opposite. A force for bad decisions, wanton destruction, chaos and increasing chaos, danger, and death. It is a helpful way to divide the world, to group the things in the world into good and bad, which people have been trying to do for thousands of years. 

The Devil is an interesting model. In that, God is like Superman. Superman is straightforward. He pretty much always does good. There is nothing paradoxical about Superman. In TV terms, God is the game show Who Wants to be a Millionaire, where everything pulls in the same direction.  You’re cheering for the person to win as opposed to reality shows or the game show The Weakest Link, where generally on the show The Weakest Link the biggest dicks, the biggest jerks, win because they gang up on the best players and knock them out, leaving only the biggest jerks. I don’t think it’s on anymore anywhere. It’s hard to watch because it pulls in opposite directions. 

You’re pulling for the good people, but the jerks prevail. However, God is straightforward and entirely good, even if we don’t understand God’s decisions with what he does about the world. The Devil is less straightforward, is more complicated. He’s closer to Batman. Where Batman has darkness within and is more complicated, and I’m not saying Batman is the Devil, I’m saying he’s more complicated because he’s tormented. The Devil is more complicated because he can take more forms, even the apparently good, to do bad. The Devil wants everyone to fail, to embrace evil and to fail, but he has a trickier utility belt to accomplish that. 

He can take all sorts of forms including forms that look good and can trick people into doing what is ultimately bad. We see that in some of the current political debates in America. On the liberal side, liberals like to give people safety nets, which seems like doing good. It is charitable. It is helping your fellow humans. The new conservative person, not super-new but the conservatives who have been active for the past 30 years, say that there is the Devil in those welfare-type, entitlement-type, safety nets. That by attempting to do good, you are really doing bad. That you are making people soft. That you are making people unable to fend for themselves. 

That maybe you need to deny the Devil of Liberalism and safety nets and embrace the toughness of the not helpful and make people get out there and work for themselves, which is, as I see it, mostly a garbage argument for F-ing over other people. That is what today’s Republican Party tends to try to do. Regardless of how they feel in their hearts, the result of Republican policies is rich people getting richer and everyone else staying the same or falling back.

Appendix I: Footnotes

[1Ivan Ivec (From two webpage links here and here: “My name is Ivan Ivec and I come from Croatia. I’m a teacher of mathematics with a Ph.D. degree in mathematics. I’ll present here my IQ tests and other activities.”

“However, I’m not interested only in IQ tests and mathematics, which is my profession. I believe in God and try to live my faith. As I’m pretty bad theologician, under Religion link I’ll only try to help people in need. I pray God to give me enough humbleness to maintain this site in the productive way. Finally, under Steven Fell’s Art link I’ll promote one American artist, who did my portrait for this website.”

Rick G. Rosner: “According to semi-reputable sources, Rick Rosner has the world’s second-highest IQ. He earned 12 years of college credit in less than a year and graduated with the equivalent of 8 majors. He has received 8 Writer’s Guild Award and Emmy nominations, and was named 2013 North American Genius of the Year by The World Genius Registry.

He has written for Remote Control, Crank Yankers, The Man Show, The Emmy Awards, The Grammy Awards, and Jimmy Kimmel Live!. He has also worked as a stripper, a bouncer, a roller-skating waiter, and a nude model. In a TV commercial, Domino’s Pizza named him the World’s Smartest Man. He was also named Best Bouncer in the Denver Area by Westwood Magazine.

He spent the disco era as an undercover high school student. 25 years as a bar bouncer, American fake ID-catcher, 25+ years as a stripper, and nude art model, and nearly 30 years as a writer for more than 2,500 hours of network television.

He lost on Jeopardy!, sued Who Wants to Be a Millionaire over a bad question, and lost the lawsuit. He spent 35+ years on a modified version of Big Bang Theory. Now, he mostly sits around tweeting in a towel. He lives in Los Angeles, California with his wife and daughter.

You can send an email or a direct message via Twitter, or find him on LinkedIn, or see him on YouTube.”

[2] Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2018 at http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rosner-ivec; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2018 at https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.

Appendix II: Citation Style Listing

American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life” [Online].July 2018; 17(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rosner-ivec.

American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2018, July 22). Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life”Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rosner-ivec.

Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life”. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A, July. 2018. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rosner-ivec>.

Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2018. “Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life”.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rosner-ivec.

Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life”.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 17.A (July 2018). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rosner-ivec.

Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life”In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rosner-ivec>.

Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2018, ‘Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life”In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 17.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rosner-ivec.

Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life”.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 17.A (2018):July. 2018. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rosner-ivec>.

Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Ask A Genius (or Two): Conversation with Ivan Ivec and Rick Rosner on “The Spiritual Life” [Internet]. (2018, June; 17(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rosner-volko-one.

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In-Sight Publishing and In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal by Scott Douglas Jacobsen is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License.
Based on a work at www.in-sightjournal.com.

Copyright

© Scott Douglas Jacobsen, and In-Sight Publishing and In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 2012-2018. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from this site’s author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to Scott Douglas Jacobsen, and In-Sight Publishing and In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.  All interviewees co-copyright their interview material and may disseminate for their independent purposes.

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